All those allegations - a discussion

Below is an extract from a good discussion go to this page at TPMCAFE

First on poster listed the common allegation, then another poster replied with some explanations

ALLEGATIONS

Evidence

I described the IAEA’s issues with Iran yesterday and discussed some US suspicions of Iran here.

A partial list of suspicious Iranian actions includes:

–failing to disclose numerous nuclear programs and activities to the IAEA for  a very long time.  These include plutonium separation experiments, uranium enrichment and conversion experiments, two different enrichment programs (laser and P-2 centrifuge), a huge centrifuge facility, the importation of various uranium compounds, and attempts to procure hot cells.

– Concealing sites and destroying evidence (e.g., burying the Natanz centrifuge facility and sanitizing a facility where Iranian scientists enriched uranium).

–Starting an expensive nuclear program in the middle of the war with Iraq.

–Failing to cooperate fully with the IAEA.  The IAEA has repeatedly criticized Iran for being  slack about providing access to documents and personnel.

–Making false statements to the IAEA.  For example, Iran falsely claimed that it hadn’t enriched uranium when it actually had. Iran also claimed that it hasn’t procured any foreign components for its P-2 centrifuge program.  That wasn’t true either.

–Possessing the design for a missile warhead that might be for the delivery of nuclear weapons.

–Possessing documents and conducting experiments that have few, if any, non-weapons applications ( the uranium casting document and polonium-210 experiments).

–Developing a heavy water reactor (a potentially excellent plutonium factory) that Tehran claims is for producing medical isotopes, even though they already have a reactor with unused capacity that is capable of doing so.

–Tehran’s insistence on continuing with its program RIGHT NOW when there’s no good reason for them to do so.

–Iran claims to be developing a large civilian nuclear power program but doesn’t have anywhere near the required amount of indigenous uranium.  (It does, however, have enough uranium for about 250-300 nuclear weapons.)

On one hand,  I find it hard to believe that these are all coincidences. It’s not that any one is all that damning  (for example, an economically inefficient project is not by itself very convincing evidence of ill intent), but there’s a pretty long list of things to explain away.

On the other…

The evidence that Iran is currently  pursuing undeclared nuclear activities isn’t all that good - many of the activities discussed above took place some years ago (e.g. plutonium and polonium experiments, the acquisition of P-1 centrifuge documents and components, uranium imports)  A track record of untrustworthy behavior gives good reason to be suspicious, but it’s not damning evidence of a nuclear weapons program.

Furthermore, when one looks at what Iran is currently doing in the nuclear arena, the list is not as scary as you might think.  Iran has, for example, said it won’t reprocess spent reactor fuel, it has given up on laser enrichment, and the IAEA hasn’t found any new safeguards violations for a while.

It could well be that Iran has something to hide But there are alternative explanations for some of Iran’s lapses of cooperation.  For example, failure to turn over all the relevant documents could be the product of bureaucratic incompetence or right hand/left hand issues. It’s worth noting that Iraqi officials destroyed some WMD and related materials without the knowledge of Saddam Hussein. Snafus like that were partly responsible for Iraq’s inability to account for some of its WMD and related materials.

Recent bureaucratic changes in Iran may give some plausibility to the above explanations.

Jeffrey already posted about the bureaucratic changes related to Iran’s nuclear program. I will just add that a decreasing role for  Iran’s military could mean a couple of things:

1.A decision to end (or at least reduce) nuclear weapons efforts.

2. Some of Iran’s lack of cooperation may be the result of incompetence and turf fighting which frequently accompanies bureaucratic shifts.  For example, some documents may have been lost, others may have been deliberately withheld by dissenting officials.

Constraints

Even if Iran develops a uranium enrichment capability, it still faces some constraints:

–Iran has limited amounts of indigenous uranium.  This is a possible choke point -  if Iran, for example has to export its uranium to Russia and can’t import any of its own , they’ll have limited

–the CIA has said that Iran probably can’t use safeguarded facilities to produce fissile material without getting caught.

–the IAEA has sweet skills, provided that they get the proper access.  Example - the Iranians cleaned out and repainted a workshop to cover up the fact that they had enriched uranium there.  The IAEA still determined what Iran had done in remarkable detail.

–Testing - if Iran can’t test nuclear weapons,  they can only produce fairly simple weapons - not the kind that are deliverable by longer-range missiles.

The issue which is very much open to question, is whether they can put their skills gained from centrifuge R&D to use in secret facilities.  But most experts seem to think that it is fairly easy to hide centrifuge facilities, but not so easy to hide uranium conversion facilities [cautionary note - the jury still seems to be out on the latter issue].

On top of that, it seems to me that Iran would have a tough time concealing the movement of tons and tons of  uranium to a secret conversion facility.   Iran could go the route of acquiring centrifuge feedstock from abroad, but that carries its own risks.

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SOME EXPLANATIONS

On February 10, 2006 - 1:39pm hass said:
There are several problems with your list of “evidence” against Iran. The evidence you cite is actually mostly innuendo and invitations to speculate.

– Failing to disclose numerous nuclear programs and activities to the IAEA for a very long time: In fact Iran’s plans to start enrichment were openly reported on Iranian radio, and the IAEA knew about & inspected Iran’s uranium mines in 1992. Iran attempted to enter into legal contract with several countries to obtain the technology which it was ENTITLED to, but the US repeatedly thwarted Iran’s efforts. Finally, several other nations have been caught cheating much more egregiously on their NPT obligations — including several US allies — but no speculation about secret nuclear weapons programs are promoted about them.

– The the design for a missile warhead that “might be” for the delivery of nuclear weapons were obtained from the “Magic Laptop that Fell From the Skies” into US hands that supposedly was obtained from someone who got it from someone else …who is conveniently dead. If you believe that, then I have a “Mobile Biological Weapons Lab” to sell you.

– Considering Iran’s experiences with Iraqi air attacks during the Iran-Iraq war, burying energy production sites seems to be a perfectly reasonable thing to do when you’re repeatedly threatened with bombings.

– Iran did not ’start an expensive nuclear program in the middle of the war with Iraq” — it restarted its program in 1981, about a year after the war started. In 1983, the IAEA was planning to cooperate in Iran’s enrichment program (the US ended that cooperation, contrary to the NPT.) And considering that even today Iran is judged to be 5-10 years away from making a bomb, then it would have been very very optimistic for the Iranians to start this program during the war in the hopes of obtaining a bomb within the timeframe of the war. In fact, if we agree to your premise that the program was “expensive” then it would be a huge and unreasonable risk to start a nuclear weapons program in the “middle” of the Iran-Iraq war in the hopes of obtaining a nuclear weapon in time.

– Iran’s heavy water reactor is under IAEA safeguards and at best could hope to produce only enough plutonium for ONE nuclear weapon PER YEAR…not exactly a very efficient way of building a nuclear arsenal, is it?

– The amount of indigenous uranium in Iran is unknown since exploration has only recently started, and Iran has never claimed that it will be alway 100% reliant on domestically- produced uranium. Just because your indigenous energy resoures won’t meet 100% of your energy demand doesn’t mean you simply ignore those resources. You can still use them to supplement your energy. After all, the US and Britain exploit their indigenous oil resources in Alaska and the North Sea, in addition to importing oil from other places.

– Iran voluntarily turned over the enriched uranium casting diagrams, which are actually not terribly useful for making bombs since A) they have no measurements or other necessary details to be used, and B) diagrams on how to build bombs are found all over the internet and C) the construction of nuclear weapons isn’t exactly secret. This is 60 year old technology.

– Failing to cooperate with the IAEA — when the IAEA is making demands on Iran which go way beyond Iran’s obligations is hardly a sin especially when other countries who were caught conducting much more egregious violations of the NPT were not similarly treated. In fact, on numerous occasions Iran provided greater access than it was obligated, and the demands for yet more concessions from Iran simply increased. Also, in Jan 2006, the IAEA reported that “Iran has continued to facilitate access under its Safeguards Agreement as requested by the Agency . . . including by providing in a timely manner the requisite declarations and access to locations.”

– Tehran’s insistence on continuing with its program RIGHT NOW — in fact Iran has been trying to develop this program since the mid-1970’s. Secondly, it will take a few years for Iran to be able to master the technology, so now is as good a time to start as any. Considering that Iran’s VOLUNTARY and TEMPORARY suspension of enrichment during the course of the Paris Agreements negotiations was falsely characterized as a PERMANENT LEGAL OBLIGATION by the US and EU, then Iran knows darn well that waiting is equivalent to giving up that right.

I can go on and on…but there is a difference between SPECULATION and evidence.

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